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What if that most celebrated of American genres, the Western, was stripped of its traditional tropes? Gone are the heroic lonesome gunslingers, the helpless women on the homesteads, the rampant outlaws, and cliched representations of indigenous people. Is it possible that a such novel, rooted in greater historical accuracy, could prove equally (if not more) engaging? Téa Obreht’s Inland accepts this challenge, and she joins co-hosts Medaya Ocher and Eric Newman to explain how she came to tell the story of two women, 40 years apart, on the western frontier. There’s heartbreak, bravery, ghosts and camels because, when it comes to the western, reality is stranger than mythology.

Also, writer and translator Magdalena Edwards, whose article for LARB “Benjamin Moser and the Smallest Woman in the World” became a viral sensation, returns to direct folks to an astonishing filmed interview of Clarice Lispector, the only one available online.